Monaco Raceday

[maranellored]

Investigation into last corner overtake by Schumacher...............

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Provisional result.........

1. Webber
2. Vettel
3. Kubica
4. Massa
5. Hamilton
6. Scumacher
7. Alonso
8. Rosberg
9. Sutil
10. Liuzzi

CARS 3 and 8 under investigation

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Results above confirmed

[alonso 4ever]

congratulations for the bulls :)
as usual great drive with a great car..

kubica was soooooooo good.. brilliant drive

good race for alonso to start from the last place and finish 6-7...

hope next race will be much much better for him

over all the race was not that great.. maybe the 1st half was full of action and them boring till mr. trulli's great overtaking strategy!!
i guess coz the race was very loooooooooong

[maranellored]

CARS TO RUN PAST CHEQUERED FLAG AFTER SAFETY-CAR!! CARS FINISH IN POSITION!!!!!

It's an FIA rule being looked into right now..............

[funkyfish]

Yeah you're right maranello red, rule 40.13 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking. Therefore Alonso keeps sixth

[maranellored]

Mmmm, but Alonso looked like he'd been caught napping.......I hope the rule stands............

[alonso 4ever]

napping!!! lol

we'll know soon :)

[maranellored]

Look at Ross Brawn with his print out!!!!

[funkyfish]

I think it will as that is what the rule says on the formula 1 website, also the head steward this week is Damon Hill which might help the cause. 6th or 7th it was a good race, I didn't expect Alonso to get that far, I thought he might end up in 14th or 15th.

I can't believe only 12 cars finished aswell! Thats only half of the field.

Congratulations Webber!!!

[maranellored]

(05-16-2010 04:25 PM)funkyfish Wrote:  I think it will as that is what the rule says on the formula 1 website, also the head steward this week is Damon Hill which might help the cause. 6th or 7th it was a good race, I didn't expect Alonso to get that far, I thought he might end up in 14th or 15th.

I can't believe only 12 cars finished aswell! Thats only half of the field.

Congratulations Webber!!!

Perhaps that could be a question for the TCC - How many cars will finish the race?

[funkyfish]

(05-16-2010 04:26 PM)maranellored Wrote:  Perhaps that could be a question for the TCC - How many cars will finish the race?

I'm glad it wasn't haha - how many of us would have predicted 12 cars? But perhaps I'll make it the question next time its my turn to make the question. If you think of any questions feel free to pm me and I'll put them in next time

[icegirljenni]

(05-16-2010 04:16 PM)funkyfish Wrote:  Yeah you're right maranello red, rule 40.13 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking. Therefore Alonso keeps sixth

But the race did not finish under the safety car, therefore this rules did not apply, the scd in in lap 78 the last race.

then according rules :

Quote:With the following exceptions, overtaking is forbidden until the cars reach the first safety car line after the safety car has returned to the pits. Overtaking will only be permitted under the following circumstances :
- if a car is signalled to do so from the safety car ;
- under 40.14 below ;
- any car entering the pits may pass another car or the safety car remaining on the track after it has crossed the first safety car line ;

So shoelicker move is consider legal.

[funkyfish]

But didn't the safety car come in on the last lap? I could be wrong as I wasn't paying full attention, but I thought it came in on the last lap which would make 40.13 right wouldn't it?

Ah how confusing.

[icegirljenni]

The SCD in this lap that means last lap (78) is still on without SCD. so that 40:13 may not apply

indeed confusing...

[funkyfish]

Yeah see I interpret the rule to mean that as the safety car enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap, leaving the cars to take the last corner or so without it but then in accordance to the rule they can't overtake whilst doing the final corners

rule 40.13 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.

I guess we will just have to wait and see what the stewards decide

[maranellored]

I think the FIA will side with Mercedes on this, surely the drivers would have been made aware of the fact that they could not pass? Anyhow, a good drive from Alonso, not spectacular, but enough, and with the help of the safety car(s). Bob Kubica was my driver of the day, especially towards the end of the race when he was trading fastest laps with Webber and Vettel.

I'm afraid the season is about as mapped out as it can be right now. One of the RBs will win the championship, Alonso will finish 3rd depending on McLaren and the Constructors will be wrapped up for Christian Horner before Singapore if this dominance continues.

Still, and it's really important to remember this, which is why I keep harping on.........2010 is Alonso's installation season at Ferrari, he won't win (or be in a position to win) the WDC until at least next year. If he continues to over-drive the way he has been then it might even be 2012

Someone give Alonso a vallium and a yoga manual............now!!

[icegirljenni]

Quote:40.11 When the clerk of the course decides it is safe to call in the safety car the message "SAFETY CAR IN THIS LAP" will be displayed on the timing monitors and the car's orange lights will be extinguished This will be the signal to the teams and drivers that it will be entering the pit lane at the end of that lap.
At this point the first car in line behind the safety car may dictate the pace and, if necessary, fall more than ten car lengths behind it.
In order to avoid the likelihood of accidents before the safety car returns to the pits, from the point at which the lights on the car are turned out drivers must proceed at a pace which involves no erratic acceleration or braking nor any other manoeuvre which is likely to endanger other drivers or impede the restart.

Lets just put in this way, forget about siting whom. Lets look at the rules.

Quote:Schumacher/Alonso incident under investigation - it will all depend where the SC line is

by jonathan nobel.


SO base on the rules, it is all measure under where were the SCD line is. The rules has also stated under circumstance, the car can overtake after the SCD come in, which means SCD no longer active. oh am confuse

[maranellored]

(05-16-2010 04:52 PM)icegirljenni Wrote:  

Quote:40.11 When the clerk of the course decides it is safe to call in the safety car the message "SAFETY CAR IN THIS LAP" will be displayed on the timing monitors and the car's orange lights will be extinguished This will be the signal to the teams and drivers that it will be entering the pit lane at the end of that lap.
At this point the first car in line behind the safety car may dictate the pace and, if necessary, fall more than ten car lengths behind it.
In order to avoid the likelihood of accidents before the safety car returns to the pits, from the point at which the lights on the car are turned out drivers must proceed at a pace which involves no erratic acceleration or braking nor any other manoeuvre which is likely to endanger other drivers or impede the restart.

Lets just put in this way, forget about siting whom. Lets look at the rules.

Quote:Schumacher/Alonso incident under investigation - it will all depend where the SC line is

by jonathan nobel.


SO base on the rules, it is all measure under where were the SCD line is. The rules has also stated under circumstance, the car can overtake after the SCD come in, which means SCD no longer active. oh am confuse

In that case Schumacher legally overtook Alonso and will be confirmed in 6th place...........Alonso was across the SC line before Schumacher made his move.

[icegirljenni]

something make me confuse why did Alonso extremely slow in that corner? he seem to have run wide bit. And shoe licker were cunning enough to play with the rules, if he knows about the SCD crosses, which means he is taking advantage on Alonso in that particular corner. But if Alonso keeping his pace how could shoe licker manage to overtake him that easily, when i look at the review, Alonso were slight run wide

[icegirljenni]

Schumacher expecting no penalty

Quote:The sporting rules state that, "If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pitlane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."

"There's a regulation which is new this year that says you can race between safety car line one and the start/finish line," Brawn told the BBC. "The race used to finish on the start/finish line. Now I think the point Stefano [Domenicali] is raising is it says that if the race finishes under the safety car you are not allowed to do that.

"But we were advised before the end of the race that the safety car was coming in. There was no instruction that the race was going to finish under the safety car, so for us as soon as we got the instruction 'safety car in this lap' at 15:51 we considered the race was now on again.

"At 15:52 we were told the track was clear and and at 15:53 was the chequered flag. So, from the instructions we have from the FIA, the safety car was coming in on the final lap but the race wasn't finishing under the safety car and it's a very important distinction so we advised our drivers that they could still race between safety car line one and the start/finish line.

"And I think you saw the reaction of all the other drivers. If what Stefano has said was true, they would just cruise to the start/finish line because they knew they couldn't be overtaken, but everyone went for it and I'm afraid Fernando was a little asleep and we took advantage."

So the rules were right the SCD was already in that lap lets see the official news

and look how smart the Mercedes team play with the rules.

[maranellored]

(05-16-2010 05:04 PM)icegirljenni Wrote:   something make me confuse why did Alonso extremely slow in that corner? he seem to have run wide bit. And shoe licker were cunning enough to play with the rules, if he knows about the SCD crosses, which means he is taking advantage on Alonso in that particular corner. But if Alonso keeping his pace how could shoe licker manage to overtake him that easily, when i look at the review, Alonso were slight run wide

He made a mistake Jenni - he was caught snoozing and Schumacher was very close behind, which is why he was wide at Anthony Noades.......