Hungarian GP race day

[Tension_36th]

This has to be another stupid race where the idiots at FIA have no idea what they want. A while a go it was a the cars are going too fast now its about they not maintaining distance to the car infront.

The lead car is allowed to bunch others up behind him but the cars behind are not. What kind of a stupid rule is that. Very understandable Vettel is pissed like Alonso was when shamilton broke the rules and got the 2nd place retained even after taking the penalty.

It seems the FIA are engineering the championship so that it remains close. Back seat bookings and manipulations.

The safety car rules are garbage its a pain to be fast or slow, they just dont know what is the right time. But there are is an possibility.

These rules have all revealed one thing they are designed not for safety but the chance to engineer races as they see fit. Very cunning of whoever came up with these regulations. Its clearly designed to allow the stewards to pick an choose how to award penalties.

If Shamilton now needs help to close the gap to the leaders you can expect another weird call to penalize someone in front. This could may well be Bernie's hand in having the title go down to the last race. Pathetic.

Another important factor is that Mark was not holding everyone up he was rushing it and that developed the "more than 10 car lengths" for vettel. In away mark webber was partly responsible for creating that situation for the guy behind. Vettel was probably expecting webber to back everyone as leaders normally would for restart.


Overtaking is so hard you need atleast 3 secs advantage in pace like Rubens did over shoelicker. Shoelicker again upto no good like his old ways running rubens up the concrete wall. He needs to be given a black flag indeed.

Shamilton got what was coming leading the champion because Redbull had goof ups and some bad luck time for shamilton to get the same dose. The lead now restored to the rightful team and drivers.

Alonso got a better start on webber, webber had a slightly poor start but the pace was enough to ensure in the SCD or pistops they could jump alonso. And thats what happened.

[ashyxt]

great race by Fernando!

[icegirljenni]

LOL hey what with the penalty for? I havent heard of it ? Since when the second place driver has involve in holding up the pack? are not it is always refer to the first driver? LOL too bad for Vettel, anyway RBR still the fastest car on track, amazing speed i have to said for one moment when Vettel really close to Fernando, he was just? clumsy

Anyway congratulation to Fernando, a great bday gift for him. LOL pig? and look where Button end up? I am kind of disappoint with Kubica though, both Renault has a chance to finish the race with point. Is glad to see Massa racing normally here despite the nightmare happen last year, 4th place is a good reward for him

Not really a bad race, but well is funny

[Evilinhood]

Its was crazy race!
Rosberg's right-rear wheel is off at the end of the pits!

[icegirljenni]

(08-01-2010 05:09 PM)Evilinhood Wrote:  Its was crazy race!
Rosberg's right-rear wheel is off at the end of the pits!

And it bouncing from one team to another Its kind of dangerous though

[falmark]

What the hell was Schumacher thinking he should be DQ banned and then arrested for attempted murder. That gave me flashback to when Senna did the same to Prost in 1988 Ruben was closer to hit the wall then Prost was.

[icegirljenni]

(08-01-2010 05:59 PM)falmark Wrote:  What the hell was Schumacher thinking he should be DQ banned and then arrested for attempted murder. That gave me flashback to when Senna did the same to Prost in 1988 Ruben was closer to hit the wall then Prost was.

He get 10 places grid penalty at Spa Francochamp.

Schumacher gets 10-place grid penalty

Meanwhile :...

Renault, Mercedes fined for pit incidents

Quote:Renault has been fined $50,000 for the unsafe release of Robert Kubica during a pitstop at the Hungarian Grand Prix.

The Pole was involved in an accident with Force India's Adrian Sutil, who crashed into the Renault after the team released Kubica when the German was diving into his pit slot.

Sutil was forced to retire then and Kubica continued only to retire eight laps later.

Kubica was given a 10-second stop-and-go penalty during the race, and Renault was fined by the stewards after the event.

Mercedes was also fined $50,000 for the unsafe release of Nico Rosberg, the German losing a tyre as he drove back into the pitlane following his pitstop.

[Evilinhood]

What Schumacher did today was questionable, But something similar happened last year when Barrichello got Massa 'Almost Killed'.


P.S. Ross Brawn to Schumacher: "Rubens is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?"

[icegirljenni]

(08-01-2010 06:31 PM)Evilinhood Wrote:  What Schumacher did today was questionable, But something similar happened last year when Barrichello got Massa 'Almost Killed'.


P.S. Ross Brawn to Schumacher: "Rubens is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?"

Last year the spring were came out from the car unknowingly, they dont do it intentionally though. But shoelicker/ Rubens incident today were totally different case.

Click here to read a full Post-race press conference - Hungary

This is the standing before all of them have a summer break :-

Drivers championship:

1 Mark Webber 161
2 Lewis Hamilton 157
3 Sebastian Vettel 151
4 Jenson Button 147
5 Fernando Alonso 141
6 Felipe Massa 97
7 Nico Rosberg 94
8 Robert Kubica 89


Construction championship:

1 Red Bull/Renault 312
2 McLaren/Mercedes 304
3 Ferrari 238
4 Mercedes 132
5 Renault 106
6 Force India/Mercedes 47
7 Williams/Cosworth 40
8 BMW Sauber/Ferrari 23

[TheProdigalSon]

(08-01-2010 06:31 PM)Evilinhood Wrote:  What Schumacher did today was questionable, But something similar happened last year when Barrichello got Massa 'Almost Killed'.


P.S. Ross Brawn to Schumacher: "Rubens is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?"

....I'm lost for words, these two incidents are not even in the same league. Shoelicker pretty much tried to trick barrichello into the wall, I'm glad he has been punished for it was outragous! What happened last year was down to a falling 'uncontrolable' spring falling of a car and unfortunately hitting massa on the head. The most important difference was one was intentional while the other was not.

Vettel wingeing like a bitch because he was caught napping. I'm so happy Webbo won and what great start from Alonso he almost owned to redbulls and even had a outside shot at victory with two cars clearly Ina league of their own, also a great defensive drive to hold of vetted who was putting loads of pressure on him. Alonso punched above his weight today.

.. Oh and pig went KABOOOM

Just 20 points behind now this is good, hope to keep this up!

[icegirljenni]

Well said Mike, Rubens was damn pist off look at this:-

Barrichello: No point in Schumacher chat

Quote:"No, and I won't - because it won't resolve things," said Barrichello when asked if he would speak with Schumacher. "You know Michael - you talk to him and he will always feel that he is right.

"I just think I am a just guy, and justice was made today in a way because I think he has been stopped three years and he didn't change a thing. He is still the same guy."

Barrichello believes he was very lucky to have avoided a big accident.

"If we touched there, then to be honest with you I think he would flick over and go into the wall head on," he said. "So it was more of a danger for him.

"I couldn't move any more to the right because the wall was there, and if you take a photograph of the wall and us there is not [enough room for] a hair in there. It is unbelievable.

"Then you can see that I had to move it back because I went through the grass and so on. I am very glad and very lucky that we are here to talk, honestly.

The Williams driver said it was the worst defensive driving he had ever seen and reckons Schumacher was "carrying something from the past" in the move.

"I would say so. I would say it is probably one of the worst because first of all you would not expect after so many races for someone to do that.

"You would expect someone with 10 races to do that kind of thing. But for him, who has been through so many things. He is carrying something from the past that it just not necessary today. I just think that it was a loose moment for both of us."

[Tension_36th]

(08-01-2010 08:10 PM)TheProdigalSon Wrote:  

(08-01-2010 06:31 PM)Evilinhood Wrote:  What Schumacher did today was questionable, But something similar happened last year when Barrichello got Massa 'Almost Killed'.


P.S. Ross Brawn to Schumacher: "Rubens is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?"

Vettel wingeing like a bitch because he was caught napping. I'm so happy Webbo won and what great start from Alonso he almost owned to redbulls and even had a outside shot at victory with two cars clearly Ina league of their own, also a great defensive drive to hold of vetted who was putting loads of pressure on him. Alonso punched above his weight today.

Then you also admitting to the impression that Alonso was a whining bitch in Valencia?

You are just the kind of double standards jokes out there who will pick and choose what suits your cause.

If Alonso can complain about the safety car rules, so can anybody else. They are exactly the same case of the FIA being unable to come up with a sensible set of practical rules.

You sound pathetic really with these comments.

[TheProdigalSon]

(08-01-2010 10:09 PM)Tension_36th Wrote:  

(08-01-2010 08:10 PM)TheProdigalSon Wrote:  

(08-01-2010 06:31 PM)Evilinhood Wrote:  What Schumacher did today was questionable, But something similar happened last year when Barrichello got Massa 'Almost Killed'.


P.S. Ross Brawn to Schumacher: "Rubens is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?"

Vettel wingeing like a bitch because he was caught napping. I'm so happy Webbo won and what great start from Alonso he almost owned to redbulls and even had a outside shot at victory with two cars clearly Ina league of their own, also a great defensive drive to hold of vetted who was putting loads of pressure on him. Alonso punched above his weight today.

Then you also admitting to the impression that Alonso was a whining bitch in Valencia?

You are just the kind of double standards jokes out there who will pick and choose what suits your cause.

If Alonso can complain about the safety car rules, so can anybody else. They are exactly the same case of the FIA being unable to come up with a sensible set of practical rules.

You sound pathetic really with these comments.

You've been sounding pathetic for a while now but I'm not complaining if you don't like or agree with my comments don't comment on them since you can't stop yourself resorting to personal attacks.

[Chrissie]

Boys, boys, boys please don't ruin this thread with your petty arguments again please - if you want to continue having the same argument over and over again do it somewhere else and leave this thread for talking about the race

I must admit, for Hungary, that race wasn't half bad...I mean, could've done with more overtaking and that but it was interesting none-the-less. Vettel's penalty probably was a bit harsh but as we've learned, rules are rules and so he had to be punished.....Good race by Fernando, closing the gap in the championship to 20 points...I know it's still pretty much a long shot, but maybe if Red Bull keep shooting themselves in the foot and McLaren continue to be crap or unreliable or something - we could do it

I also want to give kudos to the new teams - don't know if anyone else noticed but today was the first race where all six of the new guys got to the finish line

[icegirljenni]

shall we exclude both of them from race thread? we can have a separate race thread for them you know? Oh Mike Oh Tension, if you both missing from the forum, i will miss you both so dearly...


Chrissie you were right about the new teams, but oh well 2 of them will be axe off from 2011 line up. so too bad though

[maranellored]

Am I the only one who thought the race was boring???

Hungary is only ever interesting when it rains, so Schumacher nailing Ruby and Vettel's penalty aside, it was not a very good race at all.

I post occasionally on BBC606 but tend to keep away as it's full of Hammy fans and is so very anti-Alonso, and reaing some of the comments today was so funny. After crucifying Alonso last weekend, only 7 days ago, Schumacher is now the pantomime villian again and Alonso is praised for driving well. Hypocrisy is so rife amongst these so called fans who jump on any bandwagon going, maybe that's why this is the only place I post now!!!

As for Eddie Jordan, well, most of you are lucky that you don't have to hear his insipid ramblings before and after the race, he is just awful, he even makes David Coulthard look interesting!!

Well done to Petrov, DLR and Kobayashi for a great race, Alonso was as good as he could be in a slower car comparative to the Red Bulls, and bloody brilliant from Webbo, those 30 odd laps were astonishing.

[alonso 4ever]

craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy funny race :)

it was interesing, wasn't it?? with all the pit fun... lol

what happened to vettel was strange.... i thought he'll get a penalty for crossing the pit lane that way... but he got another weared penalty..

great race for the flying redbulls....

and amazing second place by fernando
(i had a feeling that he'll lose that second place)

and mr shum should be kicked out of the sport coz he does not know how to drive any more....

[Chrissie]

(08-02-2010 09:44 AM)icegirljenni Wrote:   shall we exclude both of them from race thread? we can have a separate race thread for them you know?

Yes that's a good idea....for Belgium we'll have two threads - "Belgian GP chat" and "Tension vs Mike - Round 274"

(08-02-2010 09:50 AM)maranellored Wrote:  Am I the only one who thought the race was boring???

Hungary is only ever interesting when it rains, so Schumacher nailing Ruby and Vettel's penalty aside, it was not a very good race at all.

As far as races go yeah it was boring...but as far as races in Hungary go, it was not the worst I have seen...at least we had a bit of drama in the pits and the stuff with Vettel and Schumacher too.

(08-02-2010 09:50 AM)maranellored Wrote:  As for Eddie Jordan, well, most of you are lucky that you don't have to hear his insipid ramblings before and after the race, he is just awful, he even makes David Coulthard look interesting!!

At least everybody in England knows he's a stupid twat....people here talk about him like he's some kind of superstar coz he ran a very mediocre Formula 1 team for a few years before eventually running it into the ground

We've got pretty low standards over here as you can tell

[icegirljenni]

(08-02-2010 05:19 PM)Chrissie Wrote:  At least everybody in England knows he's a stupid twat....people here talk about him like he's some kind of superstar coz he ran a very mediocre Formula 1 team for a few years before eventually running it into the ground

We've got pretty low standards over here as you can tell

i feel like axe him all the time when he start to open his mouth

[maranellored]

(08-02-2010 05:19 PM)Chrissie Wrote:  

(08-02-2010 09:50 AM)maranellored Wrote:  Am I the only one who thought the race was boring???

Hungary is only ever interesting when it rains, so Schumacher nailing Ruby and Vettel's penalty aside, it was not a very good race at all.

As far as races go yeah it was boring...but as far as races in Hungary go, it was not the worst I have seen...at least we had a bit of drama in the pits and the stuff with Vettel and Schumacher too.

(08-02-2010 09:50 AM)maranellored Wrote:  As for Eddie Jordan, well, most of you are lucky that you don't have to hear his insipid ramblings before and after the race, he is just awful, he even makes David Coulthard look interesting!!

At least everybody in England knows he's a stupid twat....people here talk about him like he's some kind of superstar coz he ran a very mediocre Formula 1 team for a few years before eventually running it into the ground

We've got pretty low standards over here as you can tell

I loved EJ back in the early 90s, he was a total one-off and the antethesis of Williams who were dominating so much. But the man is a total total idiot and he needs to go, somewhere far away. Like Mars.

There's also the issue of his very tight trousers on the F1 Forum.......camel toe springs to mind and for a man, that's just really disgusting

If you can watch it then this is the link..............

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00...rix_Forum/

But beware, Nico Hulkenburg says "shit", David Coulthard only talks about Red Bull for 5 minutes......and.......the team actualy say one nice thing each about Alonso.............it was really scary

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(08-02-2010 06:12 PM)icegirljenni Wrote:  

(08-02-2010 05:19 PM)Chrissie Wrote:  At least everybody in England knows he's a stupid twat....people here talk about him like he's some kind of superstar coz he ran a very mediocre Formula 1 team for a few years before eventually running it into the ground

We've got pretty low standards over here as you can tell

i feel like axe him all the time when he start to open his mouth

Me too!!!!!!!!!!

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Quote:Michael Schumacher has said he is "sorry" if Rubens Barrichello felt he had been put in danger by his blocking manoeuvre at the Hungarian Grand Prix.

The Mercedes driver will be penalised 10 grid places at the next grand prix after he pushed his former team-mate within centimetres of a concrete wall.

Schumacher wrote on his website: "The manoeuvre against him was too hard.

"I didn't want to endanger him with my manoeuvre. If he had this feeling I am sorry, this was not my intention."

Williams driver Barrichello called the move the most dangerous in his long career and said the German should have been black-flagged for dangerous driving.

The seven-time world champion initially denied he was at fault. However, on reflection Schumacher admitted to making a mistake.

If it had gone wrong Rubens Barrichello could have been very seriously hurt, maybe even killed, and the same thing applies to a lot of people in the pit lane

Murray Walker
"Immediately after the race yesterday I was still in the heat of it all, but after I looked again at the situation with Rubens I have to say that the stewards were correct with their judgement."

The incident occurred when the pair were battling for the final point-scoring 10th place and Schumacher ran wide coming into the pit straight.

Barrichello moved to pass his former Ferrari team-mate on the inside but Schumacher moved across forcing the Brazilian close to the pit wall.

An accident was only averted when the wall ended and Barrichello was able to pass into Turn One.

Schumacher, 41, was given a 10-place grid penalty for the Belgian Grand Prix and the incident sparked widespread condemnation.

BBC Formula 1 pundit Eddie Jordan told 5 live: "It was horrific. Not only did he [Barrichello] just miss the wall, he [Schumacher] pushed him right across the pit-lane exit. You can see the white lane you are not supposed to go across and then he [Schumacher] pushed across on to the guard rail on the other side.

"His legacy is damaged as a result of this, in my opinion.

"Yes, there is a sense of frustration that the car is not quick enough and he is getting absolutely rammed by his team-mate, young Nico Rosberg."

Murray Walker:

"I am a massive Schumacher fan but I have to say he's gone down a bit in my estimation; his aggressive tactics have been over the top too often," he said.

"Australia '94, Jerez '97 and now Hungary in 2010 are just three examples which all exposed a flaw in his character and he more than deserved his 10-place grid penalty for Spa.

"I have to say the one in Hungary was the worst I have ever seen because if it had gone wrong Rubens Barrichello could have been very seriously hurt, maybe even killed, and the same thing applies to a lot of people in the pit lane.


"I just think he went a step too far and I sincerely hope that the rapping on the knuckles that he has had will stop him doing it again. But I doubt it."

Schumacher returned to Formula 1 this season after three years in retirement but has been well off the pace in the drivers' championship.

The former Ferrari driver is sitting in ninth position, 123 points behind leader Mark Webber of Red Bull.

Team-mate and compatriot Rosberg, 16 years Schumacher's junior, is in seventh position but boasts a far superior points tally having notched 94 for the season so far.

The Hungaroring incident was the second time Schumacher has been penalised by the stewards this season following a 20-second time penalty for overtaking Ferrari's Fernando Alonso at the final corner at the Monaco Grand Prix.

Schumacher passed the Spaniard's Ferrari going into Rascasse and out of Anthony Noghes after a safety car had moved into the pits on the final lap to claim sixth place, but stewards said the move breached the rules.

However, despite his indifferent season, Schumacher insisted he will be driving for Mercedes next season in search of an unprecedented eighth world championship.

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