European GP Raceday

[Tension_36th]

Terrible accident for Mark Webber. Hekkie was a total arshole, bloody idiot tried to brake test Mark as they were fighting for position. He moved out to give Mark webber the outside then moves back in. Webber had to get the tow back and went close but hekkie brakes hard. Arsehole.

Luckily Webber is all fine, testimony to F1 survival cell design and safety.

Vettel was perfect almost, some small errors in the restarts, but other than that he was untouchable.

The pig was clearly at fault for overtaking the safety car, but it didnt seem deliberate just the usual brain fade or lack of a brain. But it did benifit the swine massively and unfairly. Alonso was rightly pissed.

But Alonso lost his cool when he faced the 2nd part of the race. He was getting distracted by that and letting it affect his driving. Uncharacteristic of him. He used to be even more deadly when pissed but this time he lost the plot.

Kamui was just all balls he doesnt give a shit if you are a 2 time world champ or 7 time world champion he will take you. Now thats a racer, we have seen others on fresh tyres and do nothing despite being close.

Kaumi san you da man.

He even took buemi in the end sheer balls. Late braking fool shitmilton can learn from the real master.

The FIA are also a bunch of idiots, drivers have to observe a minimum speed and a maximum speed now 9 drivers under investigation. Totally pointless regulations that cant be managed or be practically observed. Rules need to be simple yet total safe. Now its so complex the drivers have to become lawyers on track.

Total garbage.

[icegirljenni]

lol classic move by Kamui in the few laps over Alonso/Beumi. Though i know he has a fresh rubber, but then again to make such move is awesome, even shoe licker can not did it with fresh rubber.

too bad for the 9 drivers who are still under investigate by the stewards. what a lucky pig, having to serve penalty and still rejoin second. well well, all thanks to Kamui isnt it? he build up quite a large gap between himself and the rest of the car. not a bad race i would said.

Webber the poor man, that was a nasty accident, just dont know what happen with Heikki there, brake tested?

Congratulation to Vettel

[WiTcH]

''A furious Fernando Alonso blamed stewards of manipulating the European Grand Prix after he finished a distant ninth position after losing out during the safety car period.

Alonso was running in third behind McLaren's Lewis Hamilton at the time of Mark Webber's crash but the Briton overtook the safety car and went on to finish second.

Although Hamilton earned a drive-through penalty for his misdemeanour, he kept second place while Alonso dropped out of the points having respected the rules.

"It's a shame, not for us because this is racing, but for all the fans who came here to watch a manipulated race," an angry Alonso told Spanish television after the race. "We were running well, in third after a good start. Then the safety car came out, which wasn't too good for us, but Hamilton overtook the safety car, something that I had never seen, overtaking the medical car with yellow flags. We were a metre off each other, and he finished second and I finished ninth.

"This race was to finish second. Then with the safety car I would have finished where I finished in ninth, and Hamilton in eighth. But here, when you do the normal thing, which is respecting the rules, you finish ninth, and the one who doesn't respect them finishes second."

Showing his frustration in the heat of the moment, Alonso said everything was going against his Ferrari team.

"It must have been very hard to know. They must have taken a lot of laps to see the replay of how he overtook the medical car. But that's how it is. Unfortunately everything goes against us and it seems they are allowing everything."''



That was a quote from Fernando. Really angry it seems...And why not... That ham. knows how to ruin someone's race! By the way if you find the video with that thing that ham. did (passed by the safety car) please post it here, as long as Fernando's interview AFTER the race. I would like to see that furious Fernando...
Great result for Vettel. First all the way. ham....again....
Stewards...
Ferrari as a car and its speed....
Kobayashi-''the killer train!''.....
Webber and his accident..... (for being careless, as long as Kovalainen) (for giving us possibly the highlight of the year WITHOUT getting hurt!)

[icegirljenni]

Hey dear Witch, the comment from Alonso, probably you can use "quote" function to separate it from your remarks, because right now it was a bit confuse to read your reply

Fernando was right about the SCD thing, anyway he was being penalized. It just not enough thats all. 9 more drivers fate yet to be confirm, if Fernando manage to maintain his position, he might still get 3rd potentially.

[Tension_36th]

Kobayashi was a train only for a bout 10 laps (a matter of tyres getting into their operational window) after which he was matching shitmilton and inching away from Button. He blew them away in a lesser car. He was simply better than many today, the rest where garbage next to him.

[icegirljenni]

Yes he build those 10laps train, after that he himself lapping quite a good pace, which almost equally faster than Button. I dont denied that point tension, i can see it on live timing also.

this is all the scandal news and point of view from the European gp:

Ferrari slams European GP 'scandal'

Quote:"A scandal , that's the opinion of so many fans and employees who are all in agreement: there is no other way to describe what happened during the European Grand Prix," said the Ferrari statement.

"The way the race and the incidents during it were managed raise doubts that could see Formula 1 lose some credibility again, as it was seen around the world."

"It's a shame, not for us because this is racing, but for all the fans who came here to watch a manipulated race," Alonso told Spanish television after the event

"We were running well, in third after a good start. Then the safety car came out, which wasn't too good for us, but Hamilton overtook the safety car, something that I had never seen, overtaking the medical car with yellow flags. We were a metre off each other, and he finished second and I finished ninth.

"This race was to finish second. Then with the safety car I would have finished where I finished in ninth, and Hamilton in eighth. But here, when you do the normal thing, which is respecting the rules, you finish ninth, and the one who doesn't respect them finishes second."

Schumacher calls for SC clarification

Quote:"What a race. We would like to have clarification about the safety car situation as the red light on the exit from my first pitstop destroyed a race which otherwise would have offered us very good possibilities," said Schumacher.

"Our point of view is that as the safety car had passed the pits without having the cars lined up behind it, there should not have been a red light. There was a green light for a moment and then suddenly it went red again. We believe that this was not correct.

"Our strategy was right in that context as we took the opportunity which could have given us a finish even close to the podium."

[Chrissie]

All nine drivers get five second penalties.....bullshit Alonso now eighth (I'm too pissed off to post a link)


It's a great advertisement for cheating though....and it worked for all those cheating bastards today...they all got away scot-free - Fernando had it right four years ago...this is definitely not a sport....

[Alonsofreak]

I will just keep my mouth shut.. Otherwise terrible things will happen...

Sorry but the FIA needs to read the rules. Even I can see the problems with the penaltys. With Hamilton I would give him a penalty after the race putting him right in front of Alonso or behind him where he belongs. And it took 8 laps (if I'm right) till the FIA gave Shit Ham a penalty. Just a shame. Did you guyes saw Ron Dennis after the race totally cheered up?

more to come later (maybe)..

[Chrissie]

Ok, I've cooled down a bit now so I'll post the link

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84857

But, now I think I will follow alonsofreak's lead and keep my mouth shut.....sometimes I absolutely f***ing hate this "sport"

[icegirljenni]

We need a new sport, and we almost get it year ago, but all teams rule it out... FIA is down to toilet. really thats nothing more we can do with them. Imagine if Fernando didnt alert the team via team radio about pig problem, i think he will just get away for nothing.

[VoRteX]

what is happening guys? i am lost

Fernando has had a very long and hard career.
coming from a country with almost no tradition in the sport was very hard for him.
only for the great talent was it that he made it into F1, to a backmarker team.
next year didnt even get to race!
next 2 years in a developing team earning very hard to get points, with suboptimal car.
2005-2006 the 2 wins and they were not so easy!
in 2007 fought agains rivals, FiA and his own team. was robed.
back another 2 years to a sub-par car, getting hard to get points.
2010! Fernando at Ferrari. Not the very best car but good potential and chances of WDC :D
but they bend the rules around Lewis and try to stop Fernando all the time.
the lack of flags last race was suspicious but today...
fucked by a train x_X
its so obvious. an insult to our intelligence.
they want a close fight between the pig and the finger guy.
Fernando must really be that hell of a good driver we think he is if they need to take so much effort to consistently hinder his chances to be world champion again!

[TheProdigalSon]

I come away disgusted by this sport today, I'm still fuming and the only way there going to be justice is if Alonso wins the WDC. But with the FIA heavily against ferrari/alonso and mclarens new bitches its going to be hard.

[icegirljenni]

it doesnt sounds as bad as you said Vortex, you know Ferrari were down to toilet in recent year, they said they bring upgardes, but they couldnt sort tyres issue. If they build a champ car and able to pull a strong result they will not be always play down by the stupid FIA. we all know FIA is suck from before, it doesnt change isnt it? it just well going even worse now. that is why we need to leave F1 behind, we need new sport. It has nothing to do at all with the problem from Fernando, i mean ya few races back he does make mistake, you yourself also acknowledge that the car is not a fast car, is a decent and capable to fight for wdc, will be able to close to others team thats all. They have plenty to sort, many do.


updated:

Ferrari calls for SC rules rethink

Quote:"On the sporting side, for me – I think we were on one side extremely unlucky. If you look, the only four cars that were on the main straight when the safety car was deployed were [Sebastian] Vettel, Hamilton, Fernando and Felipe.

"Sebastian was able to be in front of the safety car, Hamilton was basically not respecting the yellow light on the safety car, and then we had one complete lap with our two cars behind the safety car and, in the meantime, starting from Button onwards, all the others were coming in.

Domenicali also questioned why drivers were only given minor five-second penalties for breaking the safety car delta time rules.

"By doing this kind of precedent then what is happening is in the future, you might sometimes prefer to break the rule and have this kind of penalty and not respect the rules. This is not correct in my view."

[VoRteX]

its not the first time we get "unlucky". many coincidences, lets leave it like that.

but today we were robbed.
Fernando was 3rd behind Hamilton, making fast lap and closing the gap to try and pass in the pits.
we all know the rest.
ROBBED

that the Ferrari car still needs improvement and whatnot doesnt make it any less bad for me.
if chances were not many, now its even less.
they laugh at our face.
we are the crying babies?

absolute lack of class

[alonso 4ever]

1st of all, congrats vettel (thank god no major problem came from no where this time!!!)

webber's accident was really scary and i think he's very lucky to be ok....

there's definitely something wrong with the rules and also the FIA!!
(sooooooo silly 5 seconds penalty for breaking the rules)

i thought there was something wrong with ferrari's strategy till i saw that 9 cars will be under investegation and all what they get is 5 second penalty!!!!

alonso has the full right to be angry...

yeah, and welldone kobayashi!!!! amazing drive...

[Tension_36th]

Shitmilton and Alonso would have finished 8th and 9th if shitmilton respected the rules. Becuase of the safety car they lost either way. So little point saying the race was manipulated only for them. Webber is not pad to crash.

Shitmilton, yes they can help him get away by delaying the decision. There are elements in the FIA will be helping Mclaren on that aspect.

But Alonso didnt help himself by being too consumed by anger and loosing out to others like Kobayashi in the end.

Ferrari are bunch of hypocrites, if there is any team who has cheated through and through and the most number of times its Ferrari. Very rich of them to say they are respecting the rules. Shoelicker years are never forgotten by anyone serious about the sport. Changing drivers and a few personal dosnt clean their hands of their past.

We have to be balanced here, shitmilton may be overtaken the SCD car but it was clear he was confused the way he checked/paced and was not sure what to do. There are just too many rules and things to remember, Drivers are spending too much time thinking about stupid rules than concentrating on racing. He was penalized, but the time taken to give that is indicative definitely of elements within the the FIA conspiring to engineer the result for Mclaren.

And shoelicker was also robbed of a potential 3rd place when the damn pit lane lights were on. It should have been open.

This race is a perfect example of how FIA have made so many garbage rules and are unable to make sensible calls.

[Chrissie]

(06-28-2010 01:56 AM)Tension_36th Wrote:  But Alonso didnt help himself by being too consumed by anger and loosing out to others like Kobayashi in the end.

Eh..."others like Kobayashi" - there was only Kobayashi that he lost out to and that was because Kobayashi was on a fresh set of tyres and Buemi had made a mistake and held Alonso up...nothing to do with being consumed with anger there the way I see it anyway...

In fact I was impressed that he hadn't made any stupid mistakes considering his previous form this year in races when he was maybe not so pissed off


"impressed" is probably the wrong word to use there though

[icegirljenni]

i wouldnt say he lost that position out of anger or what so ever reason. Many know Kobayashi has fresh tyre, it just that he make it look too easy thats all. A lap before Fernando already lock up a bit . So it wasnt so hard to overtake. There are too many factor to explain this case but i dont think it does matter also because he has overtake Beumi after Kobayashi.

[WiTcH]

(06-27-2010 05:59 PM)icegirljenni Wrote:  Hey dear Witch, the comment from Alonso, probably you can use "quote" function to separate it from your remarks, because right now it was a bit confuse to read your reply

Fernando was right about the SCD thing, anyway he was being penalized. It just not enough thats all. 9 more drivers fate yet to be confirm, if Fernando manage to maintain his position, he might still get 3rd potentially.

OK! Sorry for that... I'll know next time...
Just a P.S.: Kovalainen, the man who started the accident with Webber by pushing the brakes hard, one hour before yesterday's race wrote at his twitter that some McLaren ''dutes'' went to visit him. Between them was Whitmarsh, John Button (?) and...listen to that...Nicole Schwetzinger!!! (????) Does this mean something???? Why visit Kova.????? He also posted a photo of all these guys.

[icegirljenni]

lol a fixed crash? eh?