Delusional Flavio Briatore says he is returning to F1

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In what is clearly a very cheeky claim, Flavio isnt really contesting his guilty verdict. Rather he is aiming to prove that a ban of that nature is not legal or that he cant be banned for life from anywhere.

The most important aspect here to note is that he is in no position to claim he wasn't involved in the conspiracy. Its just a case of a criminal telling the world that he doesn't deserve a lengthy punishment.

This is what happens when people who are so full of themselves, they think they can walk on water. They actually believe they are above the law, which is why Flavio lied with ease and had no qualms and never flinched in the interrogations by the FIA. Now he was the nerve to make a claim of reduction of the ban.

With all the evidence and the very basic fact that Flavio didnt turn up in court, its a tall order that anything will come out of this. Besides he is also making another useless claim that he wasnt given a proper summons.

This is patently wrong, he through his lawyers reserved his position to not appear for the hearing. So there is no lack of a proper summons, he escaped by claiming he is no longer 'in' F1. If a busy driver like Alonso can respond to a quick summons and show up. Who in the blazes does this fart think he is?

Its that cheap mafioso mentality they think they get away from the law. Flavio has escaped a prison term once in Italy for convicted fraud.

In the FIA he met someone who is more than a match in Max Mosley, he tried his useless mafioso games and failed miserably. Now the fart is looking to the courts to get some attention.

A case of too many joy rides of power and corruption leading to delusions that whatever they do no one can touch them.

[icegirljenni]

I dont know what he is trying to reach by doing so, to be honest, if i were him i would have disappear and never show myself up. He is chasing his lost reputation? or simply after money to compensate?

[pete]

A lot of it has to do with QPR the UK football team he co-owns so he has to appeal to save his skin with FA aswell.

So not only is he banned from any motorsport organisation he might be banned from anything to do with football too.

What is next for him to get banned from or throw out of?

from E.A. © CAPSIS International
Source: GMM


Football League waits on Briatore action

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His role with QPR may depend on his FIA action
UK soccer's governing Football League on Tuesday said it will wait on the outcome of Flavio Briatore's court action against the FIA before making its own decision about the future of the disgraced former Renault boss.

Briatore remains a director and co-owner of the London club Queens Park Rangers, after being banned for life by F1's governing body for his involvement in the crash-gate scandal.

The Italian has this week commenced legal action against the FIA, and his bid to overturn his ban on running teams or managing drivers is likely to also have an impact on his future involvement in football.


“Lord Mawhinney, Chairman of The Football League, met with Mr Briatore on Friday, where they discussed the recent decision of the World Motor Sport Council,” read a statement. “Mr Briatore informed Lord Mawhinney of his intention to take legal action against the FIA.

“The Football League will now await the Court decision before taking any further action.”

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Pat Symonds is joining Flavio Briatore’s appeal against his ban from motor racing, according to a British newspaper.

Symonds, Renault’s former executive director of engineering, was banned by the FIA for five years, while team boss Briatore received a harsher life ban for refusing to acknowledge his role in the crash-gate scandal.

It emerged last month that Briatore, who maintains his innocence, is challenging the ruling and seeking 1 million euros in damages in Paris’ Tribunal de Grande Instance high court, with a hearing set for November 24.

The Guardian, citing legal documents, said Symonds will be party to Briatore’s appeal, arguing that the FIA conducted its disciplinary hearings “in an improper fashion”.

“The decisions to carry out an investigation and to submit it to the World Council were taken by the same person, Max Mosley, the FIA president,” Briatore’s appeal statement said.

It added that former president Mosley “assumed the roles of complainant, investigator, prosecutor and judge”, and made a connection between the outcome and Briatore’s role in the earlier FIA/FOTA political war.

Bernie Ecclestone’s eligibility to vote at the World Motor Sport Council hearing is also questioned by Briatore, due to the F1 chief executive’s political desire to “be hostile to” the Italian as well as see Renault escape major sanctions.

(http://www.yallaf1.com)

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*Yawn*

A criminal telling someone is an even worse criminal so its ok for this criminal to walk free. Flavio must be given the death sentence for lunacy and now paranoia. Someone needs to put this fart out of his misery or should we say the misery of other around him.

Its true if you keep lying like Flavio you will actually start to believe your own lies as absolute 'truths'.

We dont need this virus in the sport again, F1 just got better without farts like him around.

And good luck fart, N tech just got shown the door in a case against the FIA, and this time there is no case to even heard. More like a murderer asking for a reduced life sentence. Who will bother to even listen to a criminal like him?

[icegirljenni]

what now?

FIA criticises Briatore's data leaking

Quote:The governing body on Thursday criticised the leaking of documents to the press and denied the accusations made in them.

"The FIA condemns the selective leaking of extracts from Mr Briatore's pleadings to the Tribunal de Grande Instance in Paris," said the FIA in a statement.

"The FIA rejects the allegations made in these leaks and confirms that the decision to impose a sanction against Mr Briatore was made by an overwhelming majority of the attending World Motor Sport Council members.

"In respect for the authority of the French Court, it would be entirely inappropriate for the FIA to comment further on this matter in advance of the hearing."

The case will be heard on 24 November in Paris.

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Now thats funny, given the leaks some elements within the FIA made on the crashgate case.

[icegirljenni]

Briatore says FIA hearing was 'a sham'

Quote:Flavio Briatore has accused the FIA of holding secret talks before the meeting in which the former Renault boss was banned for life from Formula 1.

Briatore said the FIA had held secret negotiations before what he labelled as a "sham hearing".

Responding to the FIA's criticism for having leaked documents about his legal case against the governing body to the press, the Italian said he had nothing to hide and that the documents were not confidential.

"The FIA neglects to mention that, according to declarations by one of its own vice-presidents to the media, the world council's decision was rather the outcome of secret negotiations on the eve of the sham hearing," Briatore's statement said, according to Reuters.

The former Renault boss said former FIA president Max Mosley had been "clearly blinded by an excessive desire for personal revenge."

Briatore was banned from the sport for life in September after being found guilty of being part of the plot to fix the result of the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix.

[icegirljenni]

Briatore appeal verdict due in January

Quote:The outcome of Flavio Briatore's appeal against his lifetime ban from involvement in motor racing will not be known until early 2010.

The hearing got underway in Paris yesterday, with the French court indicating that the verdict will be announced on 5 January.

Briatore was given the ban by the FIA for his involvement in the race-fixing scandal in the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix, which saw Nelson Piquet deliberately crash his Renault to help team-mate Fernando Alonso's strategy.

Both team boss Briatore and engineering chief Pat Symonds parted company from Renault prior to the World Motor Sport Council hearing into the incident, at which the FIA barred Briatore from its championships indefinitely and imposed a five-year ban on Symonds, who is also appealing. Piquet was given immunity in exchange for his evidence, while the Renault team received a suspended ban.

In a statement issued when he announced his intention to appeal, Briatore - who did not attend yesterday's hearing - argued that the process of the WMSC decision was incorrect.

"This decision is a legal absurdity and I have every confidence that the French courts will resolve the matter justly and impartially," he said.

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And the FIA will win it, that is what will happen in the end. Women beaters and pedophiles like Flavio deserve to be sent to prison camps and made to clean shit holes.

[icegirljenni]

Briatore hits back at Mosley

Quote:"I was made aware of the terms of the press statement made by the former President of the FIA, Mr Max Mosley as regards the decision that he took as the head of the Motor Sport World Council on 21st September 2009," said Briatore, who is awaiting a verdict from the French courts after the legality of the matter.

"It is difficult to ascertain whether Mr Mosley is just losing his temper while waiting the decision to be issued by the French courts or if, after having lost his position as a key person in Motor Racing, he is just eager to regain media coverage by making provocative attacks against myself, amongst others."

"It is quite intriguing to hear that Mr Mosley would now pretend that the FIA rendered a fair decision against me at the end of a process of fair justice," explained Briatore.

"This is certainly not the position that the current leadership of the FIA expressed before the French Civil Courts, where everyone could hear Counsel for FIA stating that the World Council took only a decision of an 'administrative nature', did not issue any ruling against myself and was thus actually not bound to comply with any standards of civilized justice.

"I would also have been glad to hear Mr Mosley explain that he expressed to me over the phone on September 19th 2009, that my presence at the hearing of the World Council of 21st September was neither necessary nor desirable, in the context of a difficult session for Renault, while since such hearing may, in any event, not result into any decision against myself."

[icegirljenni]

Briatore to discover fate today

Quote:Former Renault boss Flavio Briatore is due to find out today whether his court action against the FIA over his indefinite ban from Formula 1 has been successful.

Briatore has gone to the French courts to claim that the punishment handed down to him in the wake of the race-fix scandal surrounding the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix was illegal.

He has suggested that the penalty was unfair and was simply the result of a vendetta launched against him by then FIA president Max Mosley.

In a statement issued shortly before he began legal action at the Tribunal de Grand Instance in Paris in October, Briatore issued a statement saying: "In this case, the FIA has been used as a tool to exact vengeance on behalf of one man.

"This decision is a legal absurdity and I have every confidence that the French courts will resolve the matter justly and impartially."

Briatore cited several breaches of the way proceedings were dealt with by the FIA - and was seeking damages, believed to be as high as one million Euros, for what had happened.

Please!! Dont bring him back to the F1, it is an insulting to the sport if he does succeed to come back...I had enough with him. When he cheat with Benetton... those day was still ok. Everyone cheat anyway, you just need to be smart. But Crash gate is horrible! To even have such plan is really show he is an evil person. PLEASE!


Updated :

Court overturns Briatore's F1 ban

Quote:Former Renault boss Flavio Briatore has won his court action in France against the FIA over his indefinite ban from involvement in motor racing.

The Italian was told on Tuesday by the Tribunal de Grande Instance in Paris that his case had been successful.

French media quoted the decision as saying that the FIA's decision on 21 September had been "irregular".

"The court ruled the sanction was illegal," the judge told the Paris court.

Briatore was awarded 15,000 euros in compensation. He was banned from Formula 1 for life after being found guilty of race-fixing charges.

The Italian said before he started legal action that he had been the victim of a personal vendetta.

"In this case, the FIA has been used as a tool to exact vengeance on behalf of one man," he said.

"This decision is a legal absurdity and I have every confidence that the French courts will resolve the matter justly and impartially."

Worse decision over the decade...

FIA must announce Briatore ban lift

I did not impress with the court decision. We are talking about crash gate here, you cheated you get away yes.. that disgusting, but what about this? You ask someone risk life, crash and you walk away....

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This is shocking, no clear reason has been given other than the ruling by the FIA was irregular but not annulled.

This is a travesty that murdering criminals are allowed back into the sport, but the problem was the clever bastard only contested the way the ruling was given, not the matter of the FIA ruling it self. If that were to be done he would be in jail by no for attempted murder.

He didnt prove innocence in anyway he only got a ban overturned. Which is just a technicality.

FIA are considering an appeal, they may even have Flavio tried for attempted murder in civil court, then we would be taking about Flavio going to prison or not.

[fernandofan01]

y'know, im happy their bans are overturned.

It has been clearly stated that Briatore knew nothing of the actions. Witness X supported claims that it was Nelson piquet jr's idea and Pat symonds was reluctant to go with the idea.

But all the evidence pointed to piquet and pat. But, i find something fishy with pat, because he has always been an honest and integral player of F1, who has never resorted to any form of cheating.

Theres alot to that case we dont know, but what has been told is that briatore knew nothing nor was implicated in the conversation 3 hours before the race.

So, i wanted the results we have today, because it just shows the start of what evidence could be falsified. Why? Well, BBC had an interview with Mosely in which he stated Piquet and Piquet jr came up to him hours after the race and told him, but they wouldnt put pen to paper and follow it through. mosely and piquet have always been friends, and with Piquet being openly critical constantly of Renault and Briatore's handling, it doesnt take much imagination to see what happened.

In fact, look what happened to ron dennis. I dont like the bloke, but he and Briatore had the same thing done to them. He wouldnt touch luca because he knows he would loose.

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(01-05-2010 09:00 PM)fernandofan01 Wrote:  y'know, im happy their bans are overturned.

It has been clearly stated that Briatore knew nothing of the actions. Witness X supported claims that it was Nelson piquet jr's idea and Pat symonds was reluctant to go with the idea.

But all the evidence pointed to piquet and pat. But, i find something fishy with pat, because he has always been an honest and integral player of F1, who has never resorted to any form of cheating.

Theres alot to that case we dont know, but what has been told is that briatore knew nothing nor was implicated in the conversation 3 hours before the race.

So, i wanted the results we have today, because it just shows the start of what evidence could be falsified. Why? Well, BBC had an interview with Mosely in which he stated Piquet and Piquet jr came up to him hours after the race and told him, but they wouldnt put pen to paper and follow it through. mosely and piquet have always been friends, and with Piquet being openly critical constantly of Renault and Briatore's handling, it doesnt take much imagination to see what happened.

In fact, look what happened to ron dennis. I dont like the bloke, but he and Briatore had the same thing done to them. He wouldnt touch luca because he knows he would loose.

Then you missed the excerpts provided by the FIA over the entire FIA hearing and the documents provided by Renault and FIA investigations.

Flavio clearly knew but would not admit by words in written or orally.

Flavio is a convicted wife beater, wanted for fraud and convicted in Italy in the old days which he escape by staying outside the country.

Pat's version also falls on its face because his time and the times stated by Witness X and Piquet dont match. Pat was lying. Pat says its Piquet who suggested it, Witness X claims he assumed piquet suggested it because he doesnt know for sure if Pat and Piquet met before he did with Pat.

In the end its clear Pat is holding back on that one, there is nothing very integral about his claims or his acts. Its a case of volunteering info when he is completely cornered.

[fernandofan01]

well, your slightly incorrect there.

Originally, piquet said it was just him and pat, with briatore walking out the room after piquet suggested it, and briatore confirmed piquet suggested the act.

Piquet also said the Alonso didnt know, and it was all Flav and Briatores idea. FIA thought it was clear cut.

Suddenly, witness X comes along, and confirms Pats story, doesnt suggest, he confirms that it was Nelsons idea. But Nelson under oath stated it was Pats, like briatore did.

Witness X happened to not even BE at the conversation when it happened. James Allen's blog questions the whole reliability of the case, because Piquets story changed 3 times, then it turns out witness X wasnt even at the conversation but knew everything, so youve got 4 men guilty at a 3 man, potentially 2 man conversation. Which is where the confusion is.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/09/my...rash-plot/

but if it turns out Witness X presumes it was piquets idea, then

A) What else could he be presuming? That briatore was in the conversation amid claims he walked out before the actual where and when to crash occured?

B) Doesnt that just goto show unreliability of a witness? Presumptions arent facts.

Renau have a whistle blowing policy, let alone the fact that this witness x suddenly found the urge to come out only during the investigation and piquets testimony. Not before the race, not after the race, but only after the investigation and court proceedings occured.

Not only that, but the argument was mostly regarding how the case was handled. Moselys right hand man, alan donelly I believe, ior mosely himself stated that they had discussed the punishment before ajournment of the case, and this was to the media. That means that, before the hearing they decided they were guilty.

Another sign of FIA corruption.

Witness X>>>> Piquet Senior? Quite possibly, going on his sons word. But, it also came out that Piquet jrs treatment was half at the request of his father, as he had been staying with a 50 year old friend and he believed they were more than friends;

http://stoptazmo.com/sports-arena/32231-...r-gay.html
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/barric...10852.html

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(01-05-2010 09:41 PM)fernandofan01 Wrote:  well, your slightly incorrect there.

Originally, piquet said it was just him and pat, with briatore walking out the room after piquet suggested it, and briatore confirmed piquet suggested the act.

Piquet also said the Alonso didnt know, and it was all Flav and Briatores idea. FIA thought it was clear cut.

Suddenly, witness X comes along, and confirms Pats story, doesnt suggest, he confirms that it was Nelsons idea. But Nelson under oath stated it was Pats, like briatore did.

Witness X happened to not even BE at the conversation when it happened. James Allen's blog questions the whole reliability of the case, because Piquets story changed 3 times, then it turns out witness X wasnt even at the conversation but knew everything, so youve got 4 men guilty at a 3 man, potentially 2 man conversation. Which is where the confusion is.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/09/my...rash-plot/

but if it turns out Witness X presumes it was piquets idea, then

A) What else could he be presuming? That briatore was in the conversation amid claims he walked out before the actual where and when to crash occured?

B) Doesnt that just goto show unreliability of a witness? Presumptions arent facts.

Renau have a whistle blowing policy, let alone the fact that this witness x suddenly found the urge to come out only during the investigation and piquets testimony. Not before the race, not after the race, but only after the investigation and court proceedings occured.

Not only that, but the argument was mostly regarding how the case was handled. Moselys right hand man, alan donelly I believe, ior mosely himself stated that they had discussed the punishment before ajournment of the case, and this was to the media. That means that, before the hearing they decided they were guilty.

Another sign of FIA corruption.

Witness X>>>> Piquet Senior? Quite possibly, going on his sons word. But, it also came out that Piquet jrs treatment was half at the request of his father, as he had been staying with a 50 year old friend and he believed they were more than friends;

http://stoptazmo.com/sports-arena/32231-...r-gay.html
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/barric...10852.html

Exactly why James allen blog is worth nothing, all the exact details that are available to the public and James gay Allen alike, is at the FIA website. Everyone has the same source, JA needs a new pair of glasses.

Here is a quick recap

Nelson says he met with Flavio and pat in a meeting hours before the race after they had another meeting in the day before after qualifying (Saturday). So thats Sunday.

Witness X claims he met with Pat and Flavio was there, but not Piquet. This is Saturday.

Sunday and Saturday? big difference. At both times witness X didn't directly see piquet actually making any of the claims Pat is suggesting. And Flavio was there when this was being discussed.

Piquete said Flavio called him to the Saturday meeting to pressure him on the contract talks. Flavio admits to this talk.

So who's lying here? The witess X is free to say what he/she thinks of it
but he/she is not making a firm claim it came from Piquet. The decision is made by the FIA based on the facts available. Witness X didnt expose Flavio all by him/herself. Its the contradicting evidence given in testimony that gave Pat and Flavio away. This is how law works.

Witness X on Saturday told Pat not to go ahead with it and told the same when Flavio was hearing it. Witness X never had another meeting on this matter on Sunday none of the 3 other men have suggested otherwise as well.

Pat has a reason to hold back on this one, if he admits to this last bit that he is reluctant to, he will be banned from Motorsport morally because he is infact alluding to the fact that he alone can mastermind and approve of such a plan. Going ahead is already bad enough but conceiving the plan is even worse. He is senior staff he cant do such a thing.

Renault hired Flavio and Pat they pay their pay rolls, their actions are Renault's burden, if they are banned the Manufacturer takes the blame as well and its instant ban for them as well, obviously to save the sport and prevent more from leaving they struck a deal. Its called Clemency. Not corruption, Its happens in civil courts, FIA is no different.

So it obvious whats going on, Flavio conceives the idea, he asks pat to make it happen on Saturday well before Witness X meets up with them, Pat comes up with the technical plan to make it work precisely by Sunday night. Piquet I then called with very less time to think on it and also pressured by flavio about the contract. If your boss and manager is standing by when Pat is asking you to crash what does that mean? When asked: did you or did not pull Mr Piquet to the side and point to him where exactly to crash? Pat: "I wont answer that, I would rather not answer that"

They lied because they thought piquet's bad performances and sacking can be used against him as proof he is just ranting for nothing. But telemetry gave way to proof of deliberate crash and then the cards began to tumble.

It was a text book crime almost, they thought they had it all covered.

And in the FIA hearing, Renault's QC made the telling error, He first said Mr 'A' then made it Mr X.

Mr "A"? First name or last name first letter? You bet.

And I have a clear idea who that is but wont name him/her as we dont want to be joining people blowing the cover for whistle blowers seeking expressed anonymity. Let the others speculate, there are a couple of names out there, if you are pedantic enough you will know who that is.

Flavio calling Piquet jr gay is nothing more than distraction and diversionary tactics, has no relevance to the crash case. He may or may not be gay no one is cared about it.

[fernandofan01]

mr a, i believe is Alan Permane.

[Chrissie]

So not only has his punishment been overturned, but he's been paid "compensation".......so crime does pay

[icegirljenni]

(01-06-2010 02:19 AM)Chrissie Wrote:  

So not only has his punishment been overturned, but he's been paid "compensation".......so crime does pay

yes crime does has a price. So far i had seen a lot in F1, if there are others sport you saw the same please notify me