Chinese GP Race Day

[icegirljenni]

Fernando jump start... did he really this desperate? Am really disappointed with him ...

can someone tell me why SCD need to be there? Jaime incident is at pit lane not on track? was it because of the debris from Jaime car?

Did Alonso move over massa at the pit lane are allow?

[icegirljenni]

Wow you really have to admire Mclaren straight line speed, they are excel today, Mercedes of Nico Rosberg, well done in saving the tyre towards the end of the race. Smart move. RBR totally out of rain set up, less down force, what can we said lol Webber Renault once again out performance ! I really started to like Petrov driving, kind of aggressive but hey thats interesting. The race kind of mess up with SCD out for no reason, and with pit stops war, with the tyre choice + weather. At least Button prove he is a better wet driver. Good job for Button. And for Mclaren.

[Tension_36th]

Fernando really needs his head checked, he is getting impatient and psyched out by the others now. That jump start was pure hast for nothing. He is very lucky to have got the mix up of tyre calls to save his place pace wise nico had him covered and the redbulls were also caught out by bad tyre calls and lost their advantage at the start of the race.

Button does it again on his experienced calls. Proves he is a better wet weather driver also who managed his tyres and makes the last on two stops. Well deserved. Shamilton must be itching to whine but cant do so because the tides have changed it is now forced to play the grin game against its will.

[maranellored]

The most irritating thing about the whole situation is that Alonso probably would have taken both RBs anyway at the start - both of them were slow to get away and were more concerned about each other. He handled the conditions well but had the advantage of a wet weather set-up, he was very lucky not to get a stop and go and was even luckier with the safety car today.

I was impressed by the overtake on Massa, although I doubt there'll be any love lost between the two. It didn't look like a dangerous overtake to me and they weren't in the pitlane at the time, so I don't see how the stewards can penalise Alonso.

Jenson is currently in a different class to the others and is deserving of his championship lead, and apart from that little error near the end of the race he was supreme again today. The post race press conference was very amusing to watch, especially Hammy's body language and ear pulling, he must be screaming inside!!! In Alonso he had a team mate who presumed he would be number one and was able to beat him psychologically into submission, in Heiki he had a number two driver who wasn't going to cause any problems, now in Button he has a team mate who is mentally strong, confident, has a natural feel for driving and who is intelligent too. I think Jenson Button is Lewis Hamilton's worst nightmare. I have to admit though, Hammy is a sight to behold when he's overtaking, if a little dangerous at times.

Red Bull must be screwing right now - not a total disaster today but very close, I'm glad they didn't dominate again, it keeps the championships nice and spicy.

[Chrissie]

Why Fernando, why???

Good race, but really annoyed about that start

[maranellored]

Hamilton and Vettel escape with reprimand for the pitlane incident.........

[alonso 4ever]

what a crazy amazing interesting race :)
and the rain made everything much much better

alonso was a bit over excited i guess!!
hope we hear nothing bad about what happened between him and massa coz i think that was very risky..
soooo happy he finished the race 4th..

ham was 100% crazy coz he took lots of risk but some moves were good

mclaren is becoming very strong and button has proven that he's a better driver in the team and deserves to drive car no.1
(i bet no 1 expected mclaren to finish 1-2)

welldone renault.. great job

better luck for the RBR team next race

[Chrissie]

Quote:Ferrari
Fernando Alonso (4th)
“In a race like this, anything can happen. We did five pit stops to change tyres, which is definitely unusual: all in all, I think we took the right decisions at the right time. In a race like this you only understand at the end what would have been the best thing to do, as neither on the pit wall nor in the car do we have a crystal ball! I made a serious mistake at the start as my reflexes let me down and I left early. It’s never happened to me before and I am very disappointed with myself. Luckily, despite the penalty, I managed to finish fourth. The passing move on Felipe? If he was not my team mate, there wouldn’t be so much talk about it and for me it was a normal move and it definitely won’t compromise our relationship. We have a great potential and we must hope we get some normal races like the one in Bahrain. The start of the championship has gone well: we have shown we are competitive on all the tracks and we have what it takes to win the title. Clearly, we have to up our points tally and improve our qualifying performance. McLaren deserve the top spot, because even though they might not have the best car they have got the most out of it every time.”

[icegirljenni]

(04-18-2010 12:12 PM)maranellored Wrote:  I was impressed by the overtake on Massa, although I doubt there'll be any love lost between the two. It didn't look like a dangerous overtake to me and they weren't in the pitlane at the time, so I don't see how the stewards can penalise Alonso.

Such overtaking at the entrance of the pit lane is allow? Although Vettel/Pig case were escape and they seem to be in the same scenario as Mas/Alo but those overtaking by Alonso there at the entrance seem quite rude IMO. You can quote me and attack me but i dont thin is necessary for the overtaking to be done there, unless the team order Alonso to pass Massa, which i dont think so, when you enter the pit lane you slow down, so even you follow the car ahead of you quite close overtaking doesnt seem to be quite possible there, i will search the video and re watch the scenario. Overall today for Alonso, there is only one word i could think of, "aggressive" i think he is quite desperate coming to Chinese GP this weekend.

(04-18-2010 02:45 PM)Chrissie Wrote:  

Quote:Ferrari
Fernando Alonso (4th)
The passing move on Felipe? If he was not my team mate, there wouldn’t be so much talk about it and for me it was a normal move and it definitely won’t compromise our relationship.

huh ? ? does it really that big deal if the one he passes is Massa? Doesnt he sounds like those who comment on this incident are purposely pick on him just because massa is his team mate? It will be even worse f the one he passes is not Massa, the team will bring the matter up.

massa respond Wrote:As for the passing move Fernando made, I ended up on a puddle of water coming out of the hairpin and slightly lost control of the car: he managed to get inside me, passing me going into the pit lane. I lost some places because of it, as I had to wait for his stop to be finished.

SD point of view Wrote:As for the passing move involving Felipe and Fernando, we only saw it afterwards on the television replay and I think it was just a racing incident and there is absolutely no problem between the two drivers: when you are always racing to win, you can have moments like this

[alonso 4ever]

yeah.... unfortunately i agree with u jenni

i felt the move by alonso was rude and should not be allowed :(

coz u can overtake your team mate in the track!!!!! this is racing not coming that fast in the pit lane and passing him this way...

[icegirljenni]

I just need to re view the incident again, apparently the stream i watched i suck. I just wanted to see how bad was the lose control, as far as i can see the run wide incident has a small advantage to overtake because eventually you slow down when you pitting.

[maranellored]

(04-18-2010 02:47 PM)icegirljenni Wrote:  

(04-18-2010 12:12 PM)maranellored Wrote:  I was impressed by the overtake on Massa, although I doubt there'll be any love lost between the two. It didn't look like a dangerous overtake to me and they weren't in the pitlane at the time, so I don't see how the stewards can penalise Alonso.

Such overtaking at the entrance of the pit lane is allow? Although Vettel/Pig case were escape and they seem to be in the same scenario as Mas/Alo but those overtaking by Alonso there at the entrance seem quite rude IMO. You can quote me and attack me but i dont thin is necessary for the overtaking to be done there, unless the team order Alonso to pass Massa, which i dont think so, when you enter the pit lane you slow down, so even you follow the car ahead of you quite close overtaking doesnt seem to be quite possible there, i will search the video and re watch the scenario. Overall today for Alonso, there is only one word i could think of, "aggressive" i think he is quite desperate coming to Chinese GP this weekend.

Why on earth would I attack your opinions Jenni? To some extent I agree with what you are saying but the drivers are out there to win and if a driver sees an opportunity then why not? Was Kubica wrong to push in front during quali in Malaysia? Was Mark Webber punished wrongfully last year when he was released unsafely from a pitstop after Hamilton and Vettel getting away with it today?

Slowing down as you come into a pitstop is obviously something that should be adhered to but the pitlane entry in China is completely different to other tracks and I think Alonso knew that after being stuck behind Massa in the last two races he'd have a miserable afternoon again, so he took action. It wasn't the safest move but neither is passing a car at 200mph, so I don't really see a problem with what he did.

Just my opinion!!!

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(04-18-2010 02:58 PM)alonso 4ever Wrote:  yeah.... unfortunately i agree with u jenni

i felt the move by alonso was rude and should not be allowed :(

coz u can overtake your team mate in the track!!!!! this is racing not coming that fast in the pit lane and passing him this way...

But that's the problem - Alonso can't overtake Massa on the track!!!

[icegirljenni]

(04-18-2010 04:54 PM)maranellored Wrote:  Why on earth would I attack your opinions Jenni?

Ah i mean generally anyone can quote me, my apologize i was not aim the sentences for you sorry.


Your example on mark last year, and kubica cases as well as pig/Vettel are all fine here. RBR always let their driver exit in such a nasty way it is definitely deserve to be punish. But Alonso case were different, it happen at the beginning of the pit that is why i was thinking it was quite odd. Damn i couldnt found the video i want. I shall continue searching. I agree with your comment about you dont see any prob in such a move, i just merely seeking for some sort of clarify. Alonso statement are quite attacking in my opinion. Why on earth he would have said if the move were made on others (not his team mate) it would be better? is that really imp ? i dont know how to channel my POV here but i just think he is frustrate with something and he is desperate somehow. He was once make a desperate move too, against massa and win the race , the frustration over Mclaren sabotage. So i think i somehow see the same thing here.

[WiTcH]

I don't know if anyone has already mentioned that but read this:
Ferrari drivers Fernando Alonso and Felipe Massa insist there are no hard feelings between them after they nearly came together racing into the pits at the Chinese Grand Prix.

By getting in ahead Alonso ensured he was first in line for a fresh set of tyres, allowing him to race on to fourth while Massa had to queue behind in the pits and dropped down the field to ninth. Alonso said there was nothing unusual about the move and added he was looking forward to better results at the upcoming European races.

"The passing move on Felipe? If he was not my team-mate, there wouldn't be so much talk about it and for me it was a normal move and it definitely won't compromise our relationship," he said. "We have a great potential and we must hope we get some normal races like the one in Bahrain. The start of the championship has gone well: we have shown we are competitive on all the tracks and we have what it takes to win the title. Clearly, we have to up our points tally and improve our qualifying performance.

Massa said an error on his part had led to the overtaking manoeuvre by Alonso.

"As for the passing move Fernando made, I ended up on a puddle of water coming out of the hairpin and slightly lost control of the car: he managed to get inside me, passing me going into the pit lane," he said. "I lost some places because of it, as I had to wait for his stop to be finished."

He added that he was disappointed with his ninth place finish.

"This was a very complicated race and clearly I can't be happy with the result," he said. "Of course, two points are better than nothing, but in the upcoming races we have to do better and that means working on the development of the car. Right from the start, it was difficult to make the right choice in terms of what tyres to use because of the changeable weather."

Guys, Massa had a problem and that led to Fernando passing him by. And Ham. did the same thing on Vettel without a penalty. The real question for Fernando is: What was he thinking today? I mean skipping the red lights, doing this thing in the pits entry. Out of time and space today...That's bad. He had speed, but not the patience for some reason. And did I read correctly? Fernando can't overpass Massa in the race? Don't you think he has the skills for that? I doubt it.

[icegirljenni]

Yes Stef, your statement were the same one that Chrissie and me has posted. I wouldnt said they have no hard feeling who will have show it anyway. I just merely seeking for some clarify, as i think Mas/Alo move is quite new to me compare to pig/vet move which plenty has done it before.

[maranellored]

(04-18-2010 05:03 PM)icegirljenni Wrote:  

(04-18-2010 04:54 PM)maranellored Wrote:  Why on earth would I attack your opinions Jenni?

Ah i mean generally anyone can quote me, my apologize i was not aim the sentences for you sorry.


Your example on mark last year, and kubica cases as well as pig/Vettel are all fine here. RBR always let their driver exit in such a nasty way it is definitely deserve to be punish. But Alonso case were different, it happen at the beginning of the pit that is why i was thinking it was quite odd. Damn i couldnt found the video i want. I shall continue searching. I agree with your comment about you dont see any prob in such a move, i just merely seeking for some sort of clarify. Alonso statement are quite attacking in my opinion. Why on earth he would have said if the move were made on others (not his team mate) it would be better? is that really imp ? i dont know how to channel my POV here but i just think he is frustrate with something and he is desperate somehow. He was once make a desperate move too, against massa and win the race , the frustration over Mclaren sabotage. So i think i somehow see the same thing here.

Perhaps Alonso was giving a sign to his team - "if you don't tell him to let me past I'll just do this instead"?

He really needs to chill out, he's so desperate to win that he's becoming a little unstable again, I'm no psychologist but I really believe he feels the pressure of being a Ferrari driver and he isn't coping too well.

Fernando really needs to get a grip otherwise he might be shown the door again...............Ferrari aren't the team they were in the Schumacher days and although I think the move was fair, upsetting Massa isn't the way to go.

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Quote:If he was not my team-mate, there wouldn't be so much talk about it and for me it was a normal move and it definitely won't compromise our relationship," he said

I think what Alonso is saying here is that if he had done this to any other driver people wouldn't be making such an issue out of it, it's not a slur against Massa or the team

[icegirljenni]

(04-18-2010 05:13 PM)maranellored Wrote:  upsetting Massa isn't the way to go.

well said. Ferrari are still the same old brand new team, i see no changes in them till now.

[WiTcH]

Yeah, these were the words I saw. He is right. The press made too much out of this. The thing is that Fernando always wants to be the winner-and he's right up to a point, cause he's a two times world champion and massa no times-ans massa thinks that he is Ferrari's number one. And he does nothing to prove this wrong.

[maranellored]

I forgot to mention Petrov earlier - he was my driver of the day, especially after the early spin - to finish 7th was a really great result.

If anyone wants to see pitlane-gate again you can try this link, although I'm not sure if it is UK only................

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorspo...628312.stm

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(04-18-2010 05:24 PM)WiTcH Wrote:  Yeah, these were the words I saw. He is right. The press made too much out of this. The thing is that Fernando always wants to be the winner-and he's right up to a point, cause he's a two times world champion and massa no times-ans massa thinks that he is Ferrari's number one. And he does nothing to prove this wrong.

I see where you're coming from, but being a double world champion doesn't give you any rights as such, he should know that from past experience.

Ferrari is Massa's playground and Alonso is the new boy, he has to play nicely otherwise there might be trouble.

I still loved the pitlane overtake though

[WiTcH]

Petrov has shown some good potential until now. That is true. playground? ferrari is no ones playground. it is a team. it was schumi's playground. Being there for longer doesn't mean that he has any rights on the team. And I am judging from the past when I say that being a world champion gives you the right to say that. The uncountable times barrichello stepped back for schumacher, the times ham. wanted to be privilleged because of his championship.