2010 F1 engine choice

[Tension_36th]

In what was the obvious choice for the Willy wanker team, the moaners havent got the Renault engine supply for next year.

It figures.

Renault wouldn't supply a backstabbing team like Willliams with whom contracts mean little importance. Plus the cosworth engine will be the weakest on the grid.

Hopefully common sense prevails at Redbull and they stick with renault power, if they cant get Mercedes.

If funny mcliars are not vetoing redbull, they know they got screwed by allowing Brawn to be backed. But this is all completely contractual nit picking, once their official deal is over by the end of 2011 Mercedes can do as they please with any team.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79615

[icegirljenni]

Well Toyota is not secure and they have not much choice isnt it?

[Tension_36th]

It is confirmed, they have signed with Cosworth. We can look forward to Williams cleaning the tracks on Fridays and racedays for the rest of the drivers as Williams will be a shitty team as they always have been ever since they last won a race.

Its good they never got the Renault engines, they dont deserve works supports from better companies

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_n...t_id=39442

[Chrissie]

Strange to think though that when I started watching F1, Williams was considered one of the top three teams in F1 and look at them now


Reminds me of an article I read in a paper one time that was kind of taking the mick out of the F1 teams - it said if Williams were to have a slogan it would be like "At Williams, we believe in going downhill so we can accelerate faster"

[Tension_36th]

Frank Williams's moaning and whining at every chance he gets to veto a competitive threat seems to have definitely gain some serious 'acceleration'.

Thats the only thing Willi Wanker F1 can boast of.

[icegirljenni]

There is some serious talk between the splitting of Mclaren and Mercedes. I can sense that to why Kimi were seem to take s long to confirm the Mclaren seat, according to TS reported that Martin and Haug both not even greeting each other anymore. If Mercedes leaving Mclaren they are going to be suffer, Brawn were showing a strong performance this season, Mercedes really showing a strong interested with Brawn team. Hopefully we get to know all the line up soon,as well as they choices of the engines.

[icegirljenni]

Red Bull sticking with Renault

bad choice but i understand why, they cant get Mercedes, and Renault is the most saving fuel engine... remember refueling ban for next season. So cant blame them

[icegirljenni]

2 interesting articles to read from TS.

Quote:MERCEDES WANTS A DEPARTURE

Ilta-Sanomat 6.11.2009 (paper edition)/Janne Aittoniemi

Kimi Räikkönen's negotiations with McLaren are stuck because McLaren and Mercedes are on the edge of a break-up.

Kimi Räikkönen's negotiations about going to McLaren haven't gone forward during the last few days. Brawn GP hasn't confirmed Nico Rosberg's contract. Heikki Kovalainen is still waiting for information about his chances to continue at McLaren.

IS Urheilu reveals why the Finnish drivers still haven't got any official confirmations to their contracts. The reason is because McLaren and Mercedes are in that kind of a crisis that will lead to the end of their co-operation.

At the moment both parties are negotiating about how and with what time schedule the 15 year old agreement can be ended so that it satisfies both parties.

Mercedes wants a departure - and the sooner the better. The German car giant has finally got bored with the way it finances McLaren's operation and owns 40 % of the team but still McLaren always has the final word in important decisions. For example McLaren prevented with it's veto-right Mercedes from making an engine-contract with Red Bull.

Mercedes is going to buy a 75 % share of Brawn GP who has used their engines during this season. Brawn's car will change into the silver arrows. The team will be called Mercedes and the drivers will be Nico Rosberg and Jenson Button.

It wasn't a coincidence that the head manager of Daimler-corporation Dieter Zetsche and McLaren's managing director Ron Dennis flew over to Abu Dhabi. They didn't fly there just to enjoy the track that cost almost a billion euros.

A week ago Zetsche, Dennis, his business partner Mansour Ojjeh and the representative of the investment company Mumtalakat who owns 30 % of McLaren, sat down to negotiate about the team's future. Zetsche declared that Mercedes will sell as soon as possible their share of the team and will after that also end their engine-contract with McLaren. That is something that Dennis, who built up the imperium, has difficult to accept. Dennis and Ojjeh are not going to buy their shares back from Mercedes. Also the breaking of the 2-year old engine-contract is not an easy thing to do. It succeeds only if Mercedes is willing to pay a substantial amount of money as compensation to McLaren.

Räikkönen's manager David Robertson told the truth when he told IS Urheilu last Sunday in Abu Dhabi about his protegé's situation:
- Even though they are claiming in the papers that the biggest problem in the negotiations has to do with Kimi's demands for salary, it isn't true, Robertson said.

The biggest problem is that there's a huge lack of trust between Mercedes and McLaren that will also affect on the drivers' situation.

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Quote:BRAWN's SOON SILVER ARROWS

Turun Sanomat 9.11 2009 17:48:24

Brawn GP might be seen in Mercedes silver colours already next season.

According to the German Auto, Motor und Sport -magazine the leading star of Stuttgart is hurrying the share-deal so that they could own 75 % of Brawn GP.

Mercedes' goal is to finance the deal by selling the 40 % they own of McLaren. Ross Brawn and Nick Fry bought the team from Honda with one pound. Now it's value is counted in tens of millions.

Mercedes couldn't fully utilise the WCC Brawn won because the contract with McLaren prevented it from being displayed as a leading star in BGP01-cars.

McLaren had initially exclusive right to Mercedes engines until the end of 2011. Yet they gave it up when McLaren and Mercedes joined forces with Force India. When Honda withdrew a year ago, McLaren accepted Mercedes' operation to save Brawn as with becoming their engine-supplier.

According to a German paper they have been regretting and regretting this mistake in Woking's headquarters.

Mercedes management was assured by Ross Brawn GP's planning skills so much that they decided to make it their 'own' team.

It's believed in general that Brawn will change into Mercedes the minute they get permission to do so in negotiations with McLaren.

Norbert Haug described during Singapore GP what it was like to follow Brawn's championship battle as McLaren's official engine partner.

– If you can't win with your own team then the next best is to win with a client team. Yet it doesn't exactly feel the same way it does when your own team wins, Haug said.

Nico Rosberg has made a long contract with Mercedeksen and will probably drive for Brawn. The team isn't yet made public before McLaren has got their own negotiations with Kimi Räikkönen solved - in one way or another.

Even Jenson Button has negotiated with both Brawn and McLaren.

Brawn's main sponsor last season was Virgin Group.

Richard Branson has promised to announce by the beginning of December if he is going to continue sponsoring Brawn even though he is going into F1 with his own team. Manor Grand Prix will enter the serie under the name Virgin Racing.

Turun Sanomat

HEIKKI KULTA

Brawn + Mercedes ....... Nico sign with Brawn.............. Button to Mclaren..........

It may sounds quite interesting it is goes that way.

[Tension_36th]

While the Mercedes Mclaren split will happen very soon, i am skeptical of the claim that Mclaren are actually against this, they are in favor of it as far as we can see from their decisions to go it alone in the road car departments which in turn made Mercedes very frustrated. Also by the way how they handled 2007 with Alonso and how they are handling everything ever since at Mclaren.

[icegirljenni]

Ok thought this topic will be suitable.

VW considering F1 engine supply 2012

Quote:"If you're the world's largest manufacturer is natural that we're thinking about [Formula 1], but not before 2012," Stuck told AUTOSPORT about Volkswagen's F1 ambitions.

"We're looking for innovative things, and Formula 1 is the pinnacle of motorsport. Two years ago there was some talk that Volkswagen is going to buy the Red Bull F1 team, which we didn't need to buy. Why should we stick with one team if we can give our engines to more teams?

"If you buy Red Bull and Adrian Newey wants to go flying or fishing, the team is not successful any more. Look at BMW. They bought this multi-million dollar wind tunnel and a supercomputer and they now close the doors. Building an engine and providing it to a team is the best way."

Stuck claims Formula 1's return to expanded grids, and low-cost regulations, has put the sport firmly on Volkswagen's radar.

"Now it's amazing; Formula 1 goes the right way," said Stuck. "Many manufacturers have pulled out, which I think is a great deal, because we have manufacturers that we don't know for how long they will do it.

"They should become engine manufacturers and then lease the engine, sell the engine or give it to somebody. Then you lose all the hassle with teams, wind tunnels, engineers, you know.

"It's like Formula 1 in my days. We had March, we had Lotus, and we had Ford engines. Then Renault came in as engine manufacturer, with a formidable engine. This was perfect.

"I followed Formula 1 for the last seven years with BMW and I always asked myself on the grid, with only 20 cars, what if we could have 30 cars? Now we're getting back to this.

"We have three more teams next year, 26 cars, and by having a global engine, which is good in cost and reliable, we can have 30 cars on the grid."

The Volkswagen Group has recently enjoyed great success in racing with its different brands.

Besides its multiple Le Mans wins with Audi, its WTCC titles with Seat in the past two years and its Dakar victory this year, Volkswagen also powered drivers with VW engines to the British and German F3 titles this, rounding out the season with victory in last weekend's Macau Grand Prix.

[Tension_36th]

They have a point, they wont have any risks associated with ensuring success. They get paid for their engines, its business they can aim to make a profit of 1 million on any team they deal with. They wouldn't have to care if the team is a winner or a looser if they have many teams to supply with. Brand Image will not be a problem then

[alonso 4ever]

Vettel: Red Bull to use Renault engines

Sebastian Vettel has revealed that Red Bull will continue to use Renault engines in 2010.

Red Bull named Renault as their engine supplier in the recently published FIA entry list, but team boss Christian Horner confirmed that the decision was not yet official.

Suggestions that the Austrian-based squad would switch to Mercedes or Cosworth engines gained momentum following Horner's comments, but Vettel has now revealed the team will remain with the French manufacturer.

When asked about the engine situation during the RTL programme '2009! Menschen, Bilder, Emotionen', Vettel has been quoted by Motorsport.com as answering: "We're staying with Renault."

(http://www.planetf1.com)

[icegirljenni]

They had confirm it before and i think they are not going to change, the speclation about they are not confirm with the Renault engine are more or less has to do with the news about Renault pull out, i still think that, Horner really wanted to keep Renault engine for the seek of the refueling ban issue. What make Horner have a doubt about it is, whether Renault will stay with F1 or not in 2010, but right now looks like they have at least 70% will stay. Which is good.

[icegirljenni]

Horner warns FIA over engine freeze

Quote:"The problem with the engine freeze is that you freeze in an advantage," he said at the launch of Red Bull Racing's new RB6 on Wednesday.

"I think the Renault has some good aspects and Renault, when the freeze came, took it a bit more literally than some of the other manufacturers. I think there is disparity currently within engine performance.

"On a fair and equitable basis, we rely on the governing body to ensure that you don't have large disparity between engines. Because the problem is that as the chassis converge in performance, the engines will become a key performance differentiator, and the idea of freezing the engine was largely to eliminate the performance differential between the engines."

He added: "I think the problem is if you don't allow some development, then you freeze in an advantage for one team or a disadvantage for another. So there has to be a balancing of that, otherwise we will end up with Mercedes-powered cars winning all the races - which I think is not good for F1. And other manufacturers may choose to leave F1 off of the back of that.

"The engine isn't supposed to be a key performance differentiator and therefore hopefully the ruling body will balance out somewhat the differences there at the moment."

[Xpert]

Tension ,
didnt Mercedes say they were going to supply McLie engines all the way till 2015?
I would love for them to loose Mercedes next year .

[Tension_36th]

(02-10-2010 11:44 PM)Xpert Wrote:  Tension ,
didnt Mercedes say they were going to supply McLie engines all the way till 2015?
I would love for them to loose Mercedes next year .

Yes they did but will Mclaren really be interested in pursuing that route? They have already pushed Mercedes out of their road car engine division. So they can might as well go it alone in the F1 engine department as well. A real Mclaren F1 engine is not that difficult for a established motor-racing company like Mclaren technologies.